Sydney man accused of plotting childcare mass shooting in AI chatbot chats, court told

David Lan Thackray, 29, remanded for mental health assessment after allegedly telling Claude chatbot he planned to attack a daycare centre

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A Sydney man has been remanded in custody for a mental health assessment after a court heard he allegedly told an AI chatbot that he planned to carry out a mass shooting at a childcare centre near his Hurstville home. David Lan Thackray, 29, was arrested on Sunday after Interpol flagged his interactions with Claude, an AI assistant developed by Anthropic, and has been charged with using a carriage service to menace, harass or offend.

Sutherland Local Court heard on Monday that Thackray told the Claude chatbot he planned to shoot several children at a childcare centre near his home, allegedly referencing Naveed Akram, the man accused of the Bondi Beach attack last December in which 15 people were killed.

According to a police facts sheet tendered to the court, Thackray allegedly told the chatbot he would "go down to the local Westfield right now and shoot up the local daycare".

Prosecutors argued there would be a "catastrophic" outcome if Thackray were released, telling the court: "What he intends to do is start murdering people in Sydney just like the [alleged] terrorist did in Bondi. We're understanding what's in his mind with his interactions with the chatbot."

Thackray's lawyer, Danilo Rajkovic, said his client had gone on a "stress and frustration induced tirade" after trying to use Claude to help treat an ear infection. "There was no weight behind what he was saying," Rajkovic said.

The court heard Thackray did not instruct the chatbot to issue threats to any person or organisation and believed he was having the interaction privately in his own home. He had been using Claude's voice mode, which allows spoken conversations with the chatbot, and had requested a review after his account was suspended.

Rajkovic said Thackray, who is studying international relations, has no criminal history and has lived in Australia for more than 17 years. He said he was confident detectives who seized his electronic devices on Sunday would find no evidence of radical indoctrination or ideological motivation.

Thackray will return to court pending the outcome of the mental health assessment. Anthropic, the developer of Claude, has been contacted for comment.

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Analysis

Why This Matters

  • The case tests how threats expressed to AI chatbots are treated by law enforcement, with an international agency flagging the conversation to Australian police.
  • It raises legal questions about whether private statements to a machine can support a menace or harassment charge when no threat was directed at a person or organisation.
  • The mental health assessment will help determine whether Thackray is dealt with as an accused offender or as someone in need of psychiatric care.

Background

AI chatbots have become widely used personal tools, and many now offer voice modes that allow spoken conversations with the software. Platforms typically prohibit violent or threatening content in their terms of service, and AI developers have published safety policies describing how they handle harmful use. This case comes amid broader debate over how much responsibility technology companies bear for monitoring user speech and how courts weigh digital utterances against real-world intent.

Key Perspectives

Prosecution: The chatbot exchanges reveal Thackray's intentions, and releasing him would risk a "catastrophic" outcome, including an attack in Sydney modelled on the alleged Bondi Beach killings. Defence: The comments were a stress-induced tirade with "no weight" behind them, made privately after a frustrating attempt to treat an ear infection. Thackray never instructed the chatbot to threaten anyone and had no history of radicalisation. Critics/Skeptics: Beyond the courtroom, the case is likely to fuel questions about whether speech to an AI chatbot is a reliable basis for arrest, whether such monitoring can overstate or understate genuine risk, and whether the same technology could be used to identify people in crisis rather than only to pursue charges against them.

What to Watch

  • The outcome of the mental health assessment, which will shape whether Thackray faces trial or is diverted into psychiatric care.
  • Whether police analysis of Thackray's seized devices produces further evidence and leads to more serious charges.
  • Any public response from Anthropic about how the company's safety systems handled the flagged conversation and whether it cooperated with authorities.

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  1. SupportedDavid Lan Thackray, 29, remanded for mental health assessmentBrisbane Times - Latest News: “David Lan Thackray was on Monday remanded in custody for a mental health assessment”
  2. SupportedA court heard he allegedly told an AI chatbot he planned to carry out a mass shooting at a childcare centre near his Hurstville homeBrisbane Times - Latest News: “the 29-year-old told Claude, an AI-powered chatbot, that he planned to shoot several children at a childcare centre near his Hurstville home”
  3. SupportedArrested on Sunday after Interpol flagged his interactions with Claude, and charged with using a carriage service to menace, harass or offendBrisbane Times - Latest News: “Thackray was on Sunday morning arrested after Interpol flagged his interactions with the chatbot and charged with using a carriage service to menace, harass or offend.”
  4. SupportedMentioned Naveed Akram, the man accused of the Bondi Beach attack last December in which 15 people were killedBrisbane Times - Latest News: “referenced alleged Bondi Beach terrorist Naveed Akram... Akram remains in custody charged with murdering 15 innocent people”
  5. SupportedThackray allegedly told the chatbot he would 'go down to the local Westfield right now and shoot up the local daycare'Brisbane Times - Latest News: “Thackray allegedly told the chatbot he would “go down to the local Westfield right now and shoot up the local daycare””
  6. SupportedProsecutors argued there would be a 'catastrophic' outcome and told the court: 'What he intends to do is start murdering people in Sydney just like the [alleged] terrorist did in Bondi'Brisbane Times - Latest News: “Prosecutors arguing to keep Thackray behind bars on Monday said there would be a “catastrophic” outcome... “What he intends to do is start murdering people in Sydney just like the [alleged] terrorist did in Bondi,” prosecutors told the court.”
  7. SupportedThackray's lawyer, Danilo Rajkovic, said his client had gone on a 'stress and frustration induced tirade' after trying to use Claude to help treat an ear infectionBrisbane Times - Latest News: “Thackray’s lawyer, Danilo Rajkovic, told the court his client had gone on a stress and frustration- induced tirade after trying to use the Claude platform to help treat an ear infection.”
  8. SupportedRajkovic said 'There was no weight behind what he was saying'Brisbane Times - Latest News: ““There was no weight behind what he was saying,” Rajkovic said.”
  9. SupportedThe court heard Thackray did not instruct the chatbot to issue threats and believed he was having the interaction privately in his own homeBrisbane Times - Latest News: “Thackray did not instruct the chatbot to issue threats to any person or organisation and believed he was having the interaction in the privacy of his own home, Rajkovic said.”
  10. SupportedThackray had been using Claude's voice mode and had requested a review after his account was suspendedBrisbane Times - Latest News: “Thackray had been using Claude’s voice mode... After receiving an email informing him that his Claude account had been suspended, Thackray requested to have the suspension reviewed.”
  11. SupportedThackray is studying international relations, has no criminal history, and has lived in Australia for more than 17 yearsBrisbane Times - Latest News: “Thackray, who is studying international relations, has no criminal history and has lived in Australia for more than 17 years, Rajkovic said.”
  12. SupportedThackray will return to court pending the outcome of the mental health assessmentBrisbane Times - Latest News: “Thackray will return to court pending the outcome of a mental health assessment.”

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Written by Harper Lane on the Tech & AI desk. Claims checked by Ines Fairley, verification. Read for legal risk by Marcus Hale, legal. Edited by Angus Burke, chief sub.

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